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PostSubject: Canners 130/180 quad build   Sun May 22, 2016 8:18 pm

Will use this topic to post pictures and updates from my attempt of building a quadcopter. Smile

Here are the first few pics to get a general idea of parts used and size.








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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon May 23, 2016 8:57 am

Nice stuff canner,that battery looks a monster

Great minds think alike...I ordered some of those motor lights when I ordered
a spare matek board from banggood and of coarse the X8r receiver is great.

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon May 23, 2016 10:55 am

Those motorLEDs looked pretty awesome on the pictures so I had to have them. I've got red LED's for the back and blue ones for the front. Still waiting on the blue ones though. Smile



Not sure yet, but thinking about building the quad with the frame upside down, something like this:



This way when I hit a tree or crash otherwise, the battery won't get damaged too easily.
I can put all the electronics on the top and make a plexiglass canopy for protection.
I've got an old sheet of plexiglass lying around, which after cutting to size, I can bend into shape using a heatgun.

Like said still not sure, I may decide to use the plexiglass to build a double bottom and put all the electronics there.

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon May 23, 2016 1:48 pm

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Like said still not sure, I may decide to use the plexiglass to build a double bottom and put all the electronics there.

learn some about aerodynamics, than decide ...
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon May 23, 2016 2:08 pm

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learn some about aerodynamics, than decide ...

I don't see how aerodynamics is going to be a problem either way.
The open front will be close off when camera is installed.

What am I missing here?
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon May 23, 2016 6:36 pm

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Looks cool mate, saw that third pic & thought you almost a got a new gauntlet fist there  lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon May 23, 2016 8:02 pm

To keep the post clean I edited some double pics out of the quotes, hope you don't mind Wink 


Bad^Moon^Baby wrote:
Looks cool mate, saw that third pic & thought you almost a got a new gauntlet fist there 

Thanks Cool It would be a very dangerous thing with razorblades for props, quadcopter from hell pale

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learn some about aerodynamics, than decide ...

I don't see how aerodynamics is going to be a problem either way.
The open front will be close off when camera is installed.

What am I missing here?

Made an example from paper for how I was planning the plexiglass canopy, how is this bad for aerodynamics?
Just not sure yet if this idea works, cause I don't know if I can get all the parts to fit inside.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Tue May 24, 2016 6:36 am

Hey, I see i wasn't too clear. I didn't mean to challenge you in any way, i just said 'learn' as it is the simplest way to know, to obtain knowlege and determine why extacly drone is build this way, or another. 
Simply speaking: I have no idea why is it build this way, so i tell you to know why.. lol!

To encourage you a naked lady:

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Tue May 24, 2016 10:42 am

That lady went nice with my sandwich. /xmas1 



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Hey, I see i wasn't too clear. I didn't mean to challenge you in any way, i just said 'learn' as it is the simplest way to know, to obtain knowlege and determine why extacly drone is build this way, or another. 
Simply speaking: I have no idea why is it build this way, so i tell you to know why..

On google I looked up 'quadcopter upside down', and found several builds that were made upside down. So I'm not the first with this idea, can even buy them like this. Only thing that could be an issue is the weightdistribution, but I think that won't be much of a problem in my case, since the total weight of the parts on top would about equal that of the battery below.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Multicopter/comments/2r7q4p/why_arent_mini_quads_built_upside_down/
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2284894&page=6

Still trying to get an idea of how to assemble everything. So many ways to put it together. I like the idea of seeing all those parts and their shiny LED's together under a transparant canopy Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:42 am

Decided to go for a tradi-ti-onal build with the battery on top. Smile

I finally figured out where to put all the parts and made a bottomplate for protection:









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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:16 pm

looking good...I`m amazed how small those mini cc3d`s are.

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:04 pm

Started with the soldering, which isn't as easy as it's supposed to be, because my cheapo soldering iron barely gets hot enough.
Well not at the very tip at least. For my next build i'll have to get a better soldering iron, but for this build I'm sticking with this one.
It's not the nicest soldering job, but the wires are stuck to the circuitboard, and with my multimeter I could check to see that it all works fine.





Next pic shows the wires for the LED's soldered onto the board:





Then I wanted to flash the latest version of Cleanflight on my CC3D flightcontroller, but found out Cleanflight support for CC3D was cancelled about a year ago. Reason why Cleanflight was so interesting is because it could be used to configure the ESC,s, but only the newer versions support ESC configuration through Cleanflight. Rolling Eyes Now going to try flash Betaflight onto my flightcontroller instead.

Good thing I also ordered a special USBlink tool so I can still configure and update my ESC's through BLHeliSuite, only then I have to do everything manually.

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:33 am

It`s not the easiest board to solder to when your just starting out,the LED pads are especially
small to solder to,so good job 

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:53 am

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Now going to try flash Betaflight onto my flightcontroller instead.


Or Librepilot ?

https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Downloads




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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:09 pm

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It`s not the easiest board to solder to when your just starting out,the LED pads are especially
small to solder to,so good job 
Thanks Smile Was a bit difficult indeed. Fiddling with the soldering iron close to the other components was iffy.
Even had a blotch of solder that fell on the board making a mess, but I managed to clean it up.



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canner wrote:
Now going to try flash Betaflight onto my flightcontroller instead.


Or Librepilot ?

https://librepilot.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LPDOC/Downloads
Going to try Librepilot if Betaflight fails. I prefer trying Betaflight first, cause then I can use the Cleanflight GUI.
Joshua Bardwell has a lot of Cleanflight tutorials on his youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/loraan

Just found this video which shows the difference in flight performance between Librepilot and Cleanflight(Betaflight) : Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:27 pm

Have flashed the flightcontroller with Betaflight, and tested to see if Cleanflight would recognize it, and it works! cheers

Mounted the motors and motorLEDs to the frame:



Next will be soldering the ESCs to the PDB and connecting the LEDs.
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:18 am

It`s coming along good

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:44 pm

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It`s coming along good


It can go quite fast now, once the soldering is done, it's mostly a matter of plugging in the cables and setting up the Taranis.
Had gardening to do, so not much time today or tomorrow to sit down and concentrate on the build. I could rush it, but it's nicer to just sit down and take the time for it.
Actually already looking to buy new parts to build a 130 size micro quad that I can fly inside the house and garden. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:56 am

Just bought a new soldering iron. This one is 30-60Watt, adjustable between 200 to 450 degrees.

https://www.conrad.nl/nl/toolcraft-jls-03-regelbare-soldeerbout-60-w-588269.html?sc.ref=Deals

Going to resolder the things I already did. I don't really trust the joints the way they are now, though it works and looks to be sticking well, I'm expecting it to come loose at the first crash. The tip of the soldering iron I used was so cold it often got stuck to the solder, literally soldering the PDB stuck to the soldering iron, very frustrating. If all goes well it will arrive tomorrow so I can continue in the weekend.

Also bought some velcro to stick the batteries to the quad. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:06 pm

The soldering iron arrived yesterday and works perfect. This one gets hot enough to melt the solder properly.   

Got the LEDs working and also the ESC's, camera and vtx. cheers The last pic shows the transparent rubber 'landingfeet' I bought to stick on the LEDs for protection.









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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:46 pm

Sweet....that's all the hard work done

Nnow it`s over to the pc

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:38 pm

I'm not quite done yet. I figured a better way to place the wires for the LEDs. There's tiny holes in the quad's arms for screwing on the landinglegs. But I'm not using those legs anyway, instead I'm going to use the holes to guide the wires through.

Also I'm still waiting for a 4S->12v voltageregulator to arrive, so I can hook up a 12v LED strip I bought, which originally was sold as to put on a car, but I figured it would be nice to put it on my quad. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:29 pm

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Nnow it`s over to the pc

I already learned the basics of what has to be done from setting up my Eachine250.
Choosing type of copter, radioprotocol, calibrating throttle and gyro, and setting up radiotransmitter.

Throttle calibration can be a bit tricky, but will see how it goes. Only need to do it right once to figure out how it's done.

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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:12 pm

Old LED wires:



New LED wires:



The LEDs are really bright, but they get quite warm also. :



The landingpads. For now I put them on the LEDs. But they are slightly too large and the LEDs get warmer then expected, so I may stick these on the bottom of the quad and use smaller ones to stick on the LEDs for protection. Would be better anyway cause the way it is now, is not good for the LEDs either. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Canners 130/180 quad build   Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:22 pm

While posting previous pics I realised the landingpads look pretty, but are not very good for the LEDs. Because it would hit the LEDs each time when landing, which can go pretty hard sometimes. So I moved the landingpads to a different place and stuck a smaller rubber pad onto the LEDs for protection. Now the little piece of wire is also protected. Smile

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